Posts by Frazzled UBM

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I had a funny feeling he was a Witness... and now I need help.

by noontide in

jw
friends

im in a bit of a bind and im not quite sure what (if anything) i can do about it.

i was recently hired as a business consultant for a rather large company.

the company that hired me mentioned that they are concerned about a certain department and the way its being run, as this department affects every other department in the company.

Frazzled UBM

rvp hit it on the head. His style is a performance issue because he is in a leaddership role but he is not acting like a leader. He is compliant and indecisive in circumstances in which he needs to be exercising judgement, setting the tone and direction for others to follow. He probably also lacks the education, analytical skills and critical thinking to do the job. Be very careful not to reference his beliefs when describing the problem. I am sure you cna do this. Fraz

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"Only if you get a court order." wink, wink

by rebel8 in

recently had a discussion with a surgeon who said jw parents "usually" (her word, not mine) privately say they will take blood if the provider gets a court order.. yet another person, with no connection to dubs and no motive to make this up, saying this same thing.

interesting.. i'm surprised the thought police have not come out with an article saying jehoopla reads the hearts and judges as bloodguilty those who are relieved when forced to take blood..

Frazzled UBM

rebel8 - I have suspected this for a while. My wife is very grateful for the fact that she knows I will insist on our son having a blood trasnfusion if necessary. Which makes it so ludicrous - these JW parents blocking up the courts with needless applications - and who pays the legal costs of giving the the JW parent a clean conscience? - the NHS, i.e. the tax payer. Another example of how the WBTS is a parasite on worldly tax payers.

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JWs under scrutiny in Finland

by Mickey mouse in

http://yle.fi/uutiset/ngo_calls_on_ministry_to_probe_closed_religious_groups_jehovahs_witnesses_under_scrutiny/7219755.

sorry i'm on a tablet so can't make the above clickable.

Frazzled UBM

it is good to see there is a Western government with the cajones to challenge shunning as a breach of human rights notwithstanding the spectre of 'freedom of religion' claims

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Raising kids - JW mother, agnostic father

by Zana in

my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.

my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .

sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.

Frazzled UBM

Zana

I am sorry but I have to say I think you are being a bit naive and are engaging in rationalisations to think that you can make compromises and still have control. Unless your wife abandons the belief in Armageddon and the WBTS GB as Jehovah's spirit-directed FDS, she will do everything she can to bring them up in the Truth and get them baptized as soon as possible including tricking you (don't be surprised when your son or daughter comes home from an Assembly at the age of 14 and says to you "Oh Dad by the way, I got baptized today - sorry I didn't tell you beforehand.") When my wife starting indoctrinating my son I started to read stories like lucky72's (thank you lucky72 and those like you who woke me up to my responsiblities as a father in this situation) and decided I was not going to be like lucky72's Dad and have my son and myself regret later in his life that I had allowed my wife to take the running on his religious upbringing.

You can only protect them by doing the following: (1) absolutely limiting the exposure of your kids to indoctrination material; (2) actively and openly explaining to them that what the WBTS teaches is not true and that they don't need to worry about Armageddon and Jehovah because they are not real; (3) actively and openly teach your kids critical thinking skills; and (4) get your wife to slowly wake up and realise Armadgeddon is not going to happen ever and so she doesn't need to get the kids baptized.

Good luck from your fellow UBM Fraz

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Involved with a JW woman

by jonza in

okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.

i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.

we're in love and seriously want to be together.

Frazzled UBM

jonza - you can help her to find the path out but don't try to lead her down a new one. I agree with jgnat in this regard. She has had a life time of adopting beliefs to keep others happy. Challenge yourself about how important it is to you that she adopt your Christian beliefs. It is time for her to find out who she is and what she believes and she needs freedom to explore that if and when she renounces her JW beliefs. Hang in there, keep showing her the love and giving her a safe environment to express her doubts and think for herself. Also, manage your own expectations about how quickly she will see TTATT. Good luck Fraz

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Materialists, Jehovah's Witnesses & Biblical Christianity

by Perry in

materialist.

jehovahs witness.

biblical christian.

Frazzled UBM

Perry

"Can you expalin an evolution process that would account for where all the information in DNA could come from?

DEVASTATING MATH PROBABILITIES

The possibilities of it occurring by chance are devastating.

"Based on probability factors . . any viable DNA strand having over 84 nucleotides cannot be the result of haphazard mutations. At that stage, the probabilities are 1 in 4.80 x 10 50 . Such a number, if written out, would read:

480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

"Mathematicians agree that any requisite number beyond 10 50 has, statistically, a zero probability of occurrence (and even that gives it the benefit of the doubt!). Any species known to us, including the smallest single-cell bacteria, have enormously larger number of nucleotides than 100 or 1000. In fact, single cell bacteria display about 3,000,000 nucleotides, aligned in a very specific sequence. This means that there is no mathematical probability whatever for any known species to have been the product of a random occurrence—random mutations (to use the evolutionist's favorite expression)."—I.L. Cohen, Darwin was Wrong (1984), p. 205.

"This means 1 / 10 89190 DNA molecules, on the average, must form to provide the one chance of forming the specific DNA sequence necessary to code the 124 proteins. 10 89190 DNA's would weigh 10 89147 times more than the earth, and would certainly be sufficient to fill the universe many times over.

A lot of materialists have moved on to aliens Lisa. Scientific discoveries have eliminated the possibility of life occuring by chance here on earth. This of course just kicks the can down the road a bit."

Your logic here is philosophically absurd. The random probability of life occurring by chance is not zero it is close to zero. But the only reason why we can contemplate this probability is because we exist. We are not talking about gambling on whether such an event will occur in the future. The event has occurred so the fact that it is exteremely unlikely to occur randomly is irrelevant. Also you do not know the range of possibiilities within which this random event has occurred because you do not know the size of the universe, the beginning of time etc. Have you calculated the probability of a divine creator that simply exists without in turn being created?

This demonstrates black and white/closed system thinking, something you share with the JWs but is not shared with critical thinking Atheists. Your table was a straw man because it ignored all the areas in which you and the JWs share beliefs and charateristics that Atheists do not share, such as black and white thinking, the need to believe in eternal life, and lack of scepticism in the existence of a divine being and in the accuracy of the Bible.

Cheers Fraz

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Raising kids - JW mother, agnostic father

by Zana in

my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.

my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .

sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.

Frazzled UBM

Zana - Listen to CultBgone about the dangers of this cult. There are many ex-JWs on this site who regret allowing their kids to be brough up in "The Truth" (i.e. the cult - the fact that they refer to themsleves as "The Truth speaks volumes about them being a cult). Your first priority is to protect your kids - if they get baptized their lives will be messed up and they may well end up being lost to you. I do not think it is wise for you to attend the KH with your kids. This sends them the message that you approve of what is said there. You need to make your reservatiuons known to your wfie and your kids. You have some tough times ahead with your wife but as long as she knows you value her and yoru family above everything, you should be okay. Fraz

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Raising kids - JW mother, agnostic father

by Zana in

my wife and i have two wonderful children aged 1 and 3. i was raised as a lutheran but stopped believing in my late teen years.

my wife is what i would call a liberal jw (yes, i believe such people exist .

sooner or later our children will have questions about religion and the differences mom and dad show towards it.

Frazzled UBM

Hi Zana - I have been through this with my wife already but I had to learn the hard way. You should be more than a little worried about how well perfected the JW approach to indoctrination of children is. You should be very worried. In the West the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society sees the children of existing Witnesses as the main recruiting ground as they have little success in getting outsiders to accept their tired old discredited message. So they put a lot of pressure of JW parents to get their chidlren baptized (the principle tactic they use is fear - if your kids don't ge baptized then Jehovah will destroy them at Armageddon - he is not sentimental - nice image of a loving Creator but hat is a separate issue) and then they have a lot fo material for children which uses fear to get kids to believe.

The My Bible Studies book is the first step in thi8s process - it uses all the scariest stories fromt eh Old Testament, has lots of graphic pictures and the main theme is that if you are not loyal and obedient to the big J he will do very bad things to you and if you are he will protect you from the bad things he does to others, whgo deserve ti because they are wicked by not being lowyal and obedient. I strongly recommend that you get a copy of this book and read it. It is not suitable for chilren and telling chilren is facutal accurate and true is a form of child abuse in my mind. It generates p[hobias that can only be allayed by being protected by being within the safety of the organisation and accepting the Truth without question.

There are a number of UBMs who made the mistake of taking a relaxed approach to the JW parent giving their kids religious instruction and attending the KH and then finding out the child was getting baptized without thier consent. Once baptized the child is part of the cult and subject to sever sanctions if they want out. never a jw can relate his exerpeince regarding his daughter.

Do not misunderstand your wife's stance. She may not be an obvious zealot but if she attends the KH most Sundays she is part of the cult and gets weekly doses of propaganda, including regading the critical importance of giving the children a spiritual upbringing (indoctrinating them).

I have a zero tolerance attitude to my wife exposing my son to WBTS propaganda or taking him to the KH - it was a tough battle to get her to accept this and getting my son to see the problems such that he refuses to go with her (he was releived when I told him that the Bible Stories were exactly that, just stories and were nto real and that he should ignore the Spartlock DVD my wfie had shown him without my knowledge) was very important in the process.

The other thing that has helped is showing my wife how much we love her as compared to the treatment she gets at the KH such that her attendance has really gone down. You will need to build her trust over time by showing her your love so that she can let go of her phobia that you and your kids will die at Armageddon if you are not baptized.

Good luck and PM me if you have any questions

Your fellow UBM Fraz

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Emergency relief fund for the Philippines. How will it work.

by joe134cd in

i was just thinking it will be interesting to see how the wts emergency relief fund will operate in the philippines.

ok it worked well with the storm in florida, with cashing in on the insurance cheques.

sorry to generalize, but americans have the disposable income, and the insurance polices for things like this - a thing the wtbts finds very attractive.

Frazzled UBM

I stand corrected - you have posted it on 5 threads - is that using the Goebbels principle of a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth? Keep your WBTS propaganda to yourself.

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Emergency relief fund for the Philippines. How will it work.

by joe134cd in

i was just thinking it will be interesting to see how the wts emergency relief fund will operate in the philippines.

ok it worked well with the storm in florida, with cashing in on the insurance cheques.

sorry to generalize, but americans have the disposable income, and the insurance polices for things like this - a thing the wtbts finds very attractive.

Frazzled UBM

Eldenno aka emeth - why are you saturation bombing us with thsi story of dubious veracity? Posting it on one thread was sufficeint surely - why do it on three?